00:04 <Cepheid> By my estimates, I should be near the end of the fourth stratum of a typical EO game. Or near the middle point of the fifth stratum. My level even matches this.
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00:07 <Pony|15428> hi
00:07 <Cepheid> Mmm. If those FOEs are the same as their EO3 counterparts, then... the fish are curse-heavy, and the dragons are just lots of physical pain.
00:08 <Pony|15428> what
00:08 <Cepheid> Talking about a game.
00:08 <Pony|15428> oh ok
00:10 <Pony|15428> my name is derek denise and im 21 yers old and im a hero and a man
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00:15 <Cepheid> I... okay.
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00:24 <Schism> Well, that was a fine two hour naaaawhat did I just witness.
00:25 <Cepheid> I have no nidea.
00:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction: Âme Câline [ https://tinyurl.com/ycgnoqvg ]
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08:19 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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08:31 <uni> heyo!
08:31 <uni> took me like 4 months to finally install an IRC client
08:31 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
08:31 <Colgate> you might want to get a faster hard drive if it took that long to install
08:32 <Schism> Filly_Nightmares, say hello once more to butter uni.
08:32 <uni> hmm in hindsight this client is a bit too modern for my tastes
08:32 <uni> give me a couple of minutes
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08:32 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe.
08:32 <Schism> I'm going to have to sleep, I'm afraid. Probably to excess.
08:33 <Schism> I'll catch you ... probably in a few hours.
08:33 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty. Have a good one!
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08:35 <uni> ah good ol Hexchat~
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08:35 <ConfusionRift> :P
08:35 <uni> oh my DerpyBot died
08:35 <ConfusionRift> Well, it is what I use.
08:36 <DerpyBot> *derp*
08:36 <uni> yeah
08:36 <uni> I tried Srain for all of 10 seconds
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08:39 <ConfusionRift> o_0
08:39 <uni> sorry~
08:39 <uni> switching themes
08:40 <ConfusionRift> Heh, no worries.
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08:41 <uni> ooh I quite like this one
08:44 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift and yawns loudly.
08:45 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
08:45 * Cepheid flops.
08:45 <Cepheid> I should not be awake.
08:51 * ConfusionRift also patpats Cepheid.
08:51 <Cepheid> Eh, I'll live.
08:51 <Cepheid> Sort of.
08:53 <Cepheid> I got 8 hours sleep, looks like, so going back to sleep probably isn't viable.
09:02 * Cepheid decided to just stay up, and deal with the exhaustion that'll set in later.
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09:05 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/hO88vv6 Wut.
09:07 <Cepheid> ... The HELL was that?
09:08 <Cepheid> It sounded like something in my room fell, but I can't find anything.
09:11 <Cepheid> Or something exploded, or hit my window. Point is, it was freakishly loud.
09:11 <Cepheid> Enough that it would have woken me up, and I can't find anything in my room that'd make such a noise.
09:17 <ConfusionRift> Sorry, was talking with someone for a sec.
09:20 <ConfusionRift> Pffft, people falling asleep reading audiobooks. Well, considering some have been going through multiple books after another, that's possible. The whole "hearing them snore" and "sounds in the background" tell me that these are not provided with the tools to give them any sort of quality product, and are doing them at home.
09:21 <ConfusionRift> Hah! Everything is outsourced. Expected.
09:22 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: A crash, a break, or just a boom.
09:22 <Cepheid> Loud cracking or snapping sound.
09:23 <Cepheid> Like something hitting hard against another surface.
09:23 <Cepheid> Nothing on the floor, nothing on the bookshelves that fell over, etc.
09:23 <ConfusionRift> It probably did happen outside.
09:24 <ConfusionRift> Hopefully not something inside the wall.
09:31 <ConfusionRift> Sounds like it's probably wood., so... hmmm.
09:32 <uni> was it like really loud??
09:32 <uni> oops double question mark
09:32 <Cepheid> Could have been house shifting.
09:32 <Cepheid> That tends to be as loud as this was. Especially in my room.
09:36 <Cepheid> Spitfire are you- You are. You're drooling.
09:39 <Cepheid> Hum. Name of this floor suggests that this labyrinth boss is identical to the original stratum's boss.
09:39 <ConfusionRift> Ys I'm guessing?
09:39 * Dappled_ horses into existence.
09:40 <Cepheid> Etrian Odyssey Nexus, actually.
09:40 <ConfusionRift> Ah, right.
09:40 <Cepheid> Nexus is comrprised of stratums from previous games, with new regions.
09:41 <Cepheid> Hum, shortcut there, but inaccessible.
09:42 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, this labyrinth is made from EO3's second stratum, the boss being a giant whale.
09:43 * ConfusionRift now expects the whale from Darius. :P
09:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:43 <Cepheid> Oceanlord Ketos if I recall the name correctly. Interestingly I wonder if it'll just be a rampaging monster this time, or sentient like that one was.
09:49 <Cepheid> I don't want to set my mage back 2 levels, but I need to. After rejiggering her for a boss battle, which I then promptly won, I left her so lop-sided in terms of elemental damage that she's ineffective everywhere else now.
09:50 <Dappled_> Continue on this path till you overcome all resistence.
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09:51 <Cepheid> Resistances are crippling in this game.
09:52 <Cepheid> It's the difference between 125 damage and... 5 damage.
09:55 <Cepheid> Man, the encounter rate in this place is through the roof.
09:58 <Cepheid> Prolly to make up for the near-zero encounter rate in some rooms, especially the ones with sea dragons.
10:00 <Cepheid> ...
10:00 <Cepheid> Holy crap game, really?
10:01 <Cepheid> Game threw me under a bus there.
10:01 <Cepheid> One enemy, attacks front row. No big deal. Then the other enemy follows up with an attack that hits the entire party. Entire party is wiped. I didn't even get a chance to move.
10:08 <Cepheid> Hmm. To the eastern side, or to this small south-western corner which looks mightily suspicious?
10:09 <Cepheid> Good thing I went for the suspicious corner. I recognize what this is. It's what kills the water currents.
10:10 * Cepheid escapes and saves!
10:10 <Cepheid> Ye know, I thought I was near the end of the main story based on number of floors I've cleared.
10:10 <Cepheid> But looking at the guild card stats, I've only encountered 50% or so of the monsters. 40% of items.
10:11 <Cepheid> There's 12 more bosses.
10:13 <Cepheid> Wait, 42% of monsters, 40% of items.
10:15 <Cepheid> With all the currents gone, I can access that chest, and start exploring areas blocked off by currents. Of course, this makes dealing with the scaled dragons a bit trickier.
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10:32 <Cepheid> ...
10:35 <Cepheid> There are way too many dangerous monster groups on this floor.
10:37 <Cepheid> In other news, I got an Almighty Ring, which increases all stats by +8(!?!?) and subclasses are now open.
10:38 <Cepheid> Time to go confirm if, in fact, it is the boss I think it is.
10:38 <Cepheid> Hey Ketos.
10:41 <Cepheid> Hmm. So far, it's been the same as EO3's Ketos, with an attempt to buff at the start, followed by party-wide attacks and regular hits.
10:46 <Cepheid> So, the good news is, it's pretty much a 1:1 copy of the original fight, so it's not an impossible fight. The bad news is, he's souped up due to his position relative to the start of the game.
10:47 <Cepheid> Mmm. Right, it's March 4th. Here's hoping nothing goes south, south of the border.
10:49 <AppleDash> I don't know what March 4th is
10:50 <Cepheid> Short gist of it, some conspiracy theorists believe it's the day that Trump will be re-inaugerated.
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10:53 <Cepheid> There is some concern, and supposedly evidence, that Trump extremists will attempt to do something stupid/dangerous today.
10:54 <RazorSharpFang> My controversial opinion is that violence is bad.
10:54 <Cepheid> THat's... not controversial.
10:54 <RazorSharpFang> It is when the subject of who the violence is targeted at is.
10:57 <Cepheid> Mmm.
11:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2223 [ https://tinyurl.com/ydzcgpma ]
11:02 * Lumindia awakens
11:03 * uni pokepokes Lumindia
11:03 * Lumindia counterpokes
11:03 <uni> oh no!
11:03 * uni falls over and plays dead
11:03 <Lumindia> oh dear
11:04 <uni> how have you been?
11:12 * Dappled has reached rank 45 in Gold Hoarders in Sea of Thieves. This is pleasing to him.
11:13 * Dappled hoards much gold.
11:14 * Cepheid debates how best to defeat Oceanlord Ketos. Obviously, some leveling up is needed. Subclasses may also help, with synergies.
11:17 <Lumindia> I've feen beianeo ejmopwie
11:17 <Lumindia> .......
11:17 <Lumindia> I've been fairly well
11:17 <Cepheid> ...
11:17 <Cepheid> How'd you get that from "fairly well"?
11:17 * Dappled takes a can of air to Lumindia's keyboard.
11:17 * Lumindia boops Dappled's snoot
11:18 <Cepheid> Hum, should also look into upgrading the squad's equipment. Plus, there's the FOEs.
11:19 <Cepheid> Problem with the latter is they made them worse than the original game. Whereas in the original, only 3 fish would spawn, they made it so 4 spawn instead, and like the original, they're in a row. So I can't just kite one and kill it.
11:20 <Cepheid> ...
11:20 <Cepheid> They have 28,510 HP. What.
11:24 <Cepheid> The catch is they have extremely low defense, and are weak to all elemental and physical damage, so they take excessive amounts(4000 from an Assault drive) damage.
11:29 * ConfusionRift raspberries. "I might just... do some writing? I dunno."
11:31 * Dappled appparently has Digimon World 1-3... Might try that.
11:33 <Cepheid> Well that sucked. I made it down to 5%, then the thing just hit my team with the ugly stick and beat them to a pulp in record time.
11:33 <Cepheid> Break time from the game.
11:34 <Cepheid> Oh yeh, I found out what made that loud noise.
11:34 <ConfusionRift> Huh, what did?
11:34 <Cepheid> Heavy cable. Fell off the shelf and landed under my bed. That's why I couldn't find the source initially.
11:36 <ConfusionRift> Heh. The heck kind of cable? Then again, if the house is like in here, almost anything that hits the floor would sound like the roof collapsing.
11:37 <Cepheid> Well, it's hardwood flooring, and if the tips of the cable were to hit it, they'd make that kind of noise I heard.
11:37 <Cepheid> It also fell from high up.
11:42 <RazorSharpFang> How did it fall to under something from something higher than that something?
11:43 <Cepheid> Slid along the ground a bit after it hit the floor?
11:43 <Cepheid> Not a carpeted floor.
11:43 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFSaxIsJCE
11:43 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
11:43 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Tiny Baby Stoat Has The Best Reaction When She Meets Someone Like Her | The Dodo Little But Fierce
11:44 <RazorSharpFang> Huh, I thought it may have hit an angled surface or something else.
11:50 <Dappled> I'm going to make another go at a nuzlocke, and like the crazy person I am, still wanting to complete a gen 1 Nuz, before moving onto 2. So... Red, Blue, or Yellow? Randomized or not... I'm at least using an edited rom to remove impossible evolutions.
11:51 * Cepheid goes on to do some coding.
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12:36 * Cepheid nearly has the bare minimum required to get the data she needs out of a font. o3o
12:37 <Cepheid> Requires a metric ton of C# unsafe code, but it's working.
12:50 <Cepheid> Actually, what I have now is pretty much all I need.
13:00 <ConfusionRift> Oh, right... almost forgot I had to sleep earlier for something. Blarg... well, laters!
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13:01 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, I should get ready for my appointment at 10 AM.
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13:05 <Cepheid> I wonder how viable it'd be to play an Etrian Odyssey game in a style akin to a nuzlocke. That is, any character that dies is removed from the guild permanently, and I have to make a new one starting from level 1.
13:05 <Cepheid> If I tried, I'd do it with a game I've already finished. Such as EO4 or EO5.
13:08 <Cepheid> Though EO1 Untold is sufficiently completed that I'd try it with that, too. But the final stratum would be a nightmare.
13:08 <Cepheid> Anyways, showertime.
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13:41 * RazorSharpFang ponders polymorphism
13:42 <Cepheid> You've never dealt with it before?
13:42 <RazorSharpFang> I've never really had a good use for it before.
13:43 <RazorSharpFang> Unless you consider making an interface and having multiple classes implementing the interface.
13:43 <Cepheid> It's useful a lot in UI and gamedev stuff.
13:43 <Cepheid> Technically that's polymorphism, Razor.
13:43 <Cepheid> Especially in C++, as an interface is just an abstract class with pure virtual methods.
13:43 <Cepheid> From which you derive concrete classes from in order to support said interface.
13:44 <RazorSharpFang> One of my coworkers said that WPF supports polymorphism - but what does that mean?
13:45 <Cepheid> Few possible things. There's two that are off the top of my head, which are...
13:45 <Cepheid> New widgets can be made by inheriting from existing widgets.
13:45 <Cepheid> Or widgets make use of interfaces for obtaining data to show.
13:46 <Cepheid> More likely the former, given the context.
13:48 <RazorSharpFang> Like, what if I wanted the actual control shown to change depending on the class that its data context is set to?
13:50 <RazorSharpFang> Does it even make sense for a control to do that?
13:50 <Cepheid> I don't see why not. As for how it'd be implemented, there's a few ways.
13:52 <Cepheid> Simplest and safest approach is to have all the classes implement a common interface that allows retrieval of the data, regardless of the class being used. Implement a property with a getter that returns an enumerated value to indicate what type of class it is. This is completely programmatic and not using any special keywords, so it translates to other languages easily.
13:52 <Cepheid> The next approach would be to use RTTI. Little harder to translate across languages, but usually it involves keywords such as "instanceof" or "is" or "as"
13:54 <Cepheid> In C#, it'd be "x is type" or "x as type". The former returns a boolean indicating whether it's a given type or not. It can be used to determine if it's a given concrete class, or if it derives from some class in an inheritance tree. The latter simply returns the object as the specified type. I don't recall if it throws an exception or not if the object can't be converted, because I don't use it enough to remember. But if
13:54 <Cepheid> not, it'll return null.
13:54 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, but the problem is that the data will vary across the classes.
13:55 <RazorSharpFang> Like, T3 will implement I1, I2, I3 and will have lots of data available. T2 will implement I1, I2, and will have some data available. T1 will implement only I1 and have minimal data.
13:56 <Cepheid> I mean, you can derive all your classes from a base class, and then do a long if-else if-else using "x is someType" and then switching out the control as necessary.
13:56 <RazorSharpFang> Where I3 extends I2, I2 extends I1
13:56 <Cepheid> Where the method doing the test accepts a reference to the base class.
13:57 <RazorSharpFang> I don't know if you can do in Xaml if the data-context is a class T1
13:57 <RazorSharpFang> like, actually bind to the class of the data-context ... ?
13:57 <Cepheid> Can you not programmatically remove or add a widget?
13:57 <RazorSharpFang> I can, but I'd rather do as little as possible in the code-behind. Xaml's extremely optimised.
13:58 <RazorSharpFang> I'm having a shower, be back in a bit, will do some thinking in the shower. :thinking:
13:59 <Cepheid> Xaml is just a descriptive language. In order to change the control that's visible, you will have to do some user-interface programming.
14:17 <RazorSharpFang> Not directly, you can do all sorts of cool data-binding.
14:17 <RazorSharpFang> <Button Visibility={Binding Path=ShowMePlease, FallbackValue=Collapsed}">I am a button</Button>
14:18 <RazorSharpFang> And you can use converters to convert from a boolean to a true Visibility enum.
14:19 <Cepheid> Ah.
14:19 <Cepheid> In other news, on my end, I just tested my PNG code in my OpenGL engine.
14:19 <RazorSharpFang> Success?
14:19 <Cepheid> Worked fine.
14:19 <RazorSharpFang> Huzzah
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> I wonder if I can just create a single interface that specifies which functionality is or is not present or implemented...
14:23 <Cepheid> You can. Implement an interface with "SupportsX()" where X is the feature, and it returns true or false. By default, the methods all return false. Any features the derived classes support, will have the relevant method overridden to return true instead.
14:23 <RazorSharpFang> If I use a public property instead of a method, I can bind to it to change the UI to suite.
14:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, you can also use a property.
14:24 <Cepheid> Sorry, I regularly forget those are a thing.
14:24 <RazorSharpFang> SupportsX = true; // haha, now you support X. Traitor.
14:24 <Cepheid> I may use C# as my primary language these days, but I'm still stuck with C and C++ in my head.
14:25 <Cepheid> Yerp. Further testing shows the images are being loaded just fine. I no longer need to rely on System.Drawing.Common, which pulls in a bunch of dependencies.
14:26 <Cepheid> A lot more than just libpng and zlib.
14:26 <RazorSharpFang> WPF probably pulls that right?
14:27 <Cepheid> Likely uses an internal version provided by Microsoft as part of the .NET 5 package.
14:27 <Cepheid> Or .NET Core, and so on.
14:27 <RazorSharpFang> Which .Net version you running?
14:27 <Cepheid> 3.1.
14:27 <Cepheid> But besides that, I'm using Linux.
14:27 <Cepheid> Linux and Mac OS X don't have System.Drawing available by default.
14:28 <Cepheid> You need to pull in the NuGet package System.Drawing.Common.
14:28 <RazorSharpFang> Ah. No framework or WPF to rely on.
14:28 <Cepheid> Which itself relies on libgdiplus under Linux and Mac OS X.
14:28 <Cepheid> Which itself relies on too many other packages to speak of.
14:30 <Cepheid> Yeah, libgdiplus needs a lot.
14:30 <RazorSharpFang> ... That's the really old drawing framework, I remember that beast.
14:30 <Cepheid> https://pastebin.com/dj5ph3EN This is the dependency tree for libgdiplus.
14:31 <Cepheid> And all I was using it for was to load images.
14:31 <Cepheid> And it's not even reliable at that.
14:32 <Cepheid> In the past, I've had a case where an image loaded using System.Drawing under Linux would have a different image format specified, than that same image loaded using System.Drawing under Windows.
14:32 <RazorSharpFang> Good consistency.
14:33 <Cepheid> So, my workaround for that is to simply go to the source. I'm using pngs because of the whole lossless compression, so I just load up libpng+zlib.
14:35 <RazorSharpFang> What is this project that you're working on again?
14:38 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently, I can change displayed controls by using a converter to do that X is T1 check and then return the visibility as required.
14:38 <Cepheid> A game project. Mixture of market management simulator and space exploration.
14:39 <Cepheid> Along with RTS.
14:39 <RazorSharpFang> Market management? Like an exchange market-maker?
14:39 <Cepheid> Well, more supply-chain-management actually.
14:40 <Cepheid> With a market system in place. So as supplies drop in one location, the price they'll pay for them increases, etc.
14:40 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Storm 11 / Fusions 2:3 / nEvermore 27 / Friendship 29 [ https://tinyurl.com/ybm628v4 ]
14:40 <Cepheid> If I suddenly go quiet, it's because I have a 2-hour appointment starting at 10 AM.
14:41 <RazorSharpFang> Fair
14:41 <Schism> Randomly, I like how one of the 'traditional' sea shanties which is rolling around the internet is "The Mermaid".
14:42 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:42 <Schism> Shel Silverstein wrote wonderful poems. :>
14:42 <Cepheid> Debating if I even want to bring up the gender identity stuff for this particular meeting. It's the first one, to get an idea as to WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!?
14:43 <RazorSharpFang> Let it blow up.
14:43 <Cepheid> Sure, why not?
14:44 <RazorSharpFang> If you're honest and sincere, whatever happens is the best possible outcome.
14:44 <Cepheid> Might as well list everything going on in my life that's causing me stress and psychological issues like this CAT WHO WON'T STOP KNEADING MY ARM OW.
14:45 <Cepheid> He's started to add his weight into the mix, so it's even more painful than usual now.
14:45 <Schism> The weight of how much he LOVES you!
14:45 <Cepheid> Imagine pressure at a single point on your arm, with about 12lbs of weight behind it.
14:45 <Cepheid> All pressing on this small spot.
14:45 <Cepheid> It's... It hurts.
14:45 <Schism> You know, I have been adopted by a cat before. He preferred to knead the nether regions.
14:45 <RazorSharpFang> That would just cut my skin because I have weak skin.
14:46 <Cepheid> It does with mine.
14:46 <Cepheid> The kneading, anyway.
14:46 <Cepheid> I got a lot of scars just spotted all over my arms.
14:47 <Schism> You might as well bring it up. When one of my trainers at my workplace introduced herself as 'they/them or she/her', nobody batted an eye, and just rolled with it. Which was honestly one of those facets which helped in the end...
14:48 <Cepheid> It's gonna be brought up sooner or later either way.
14:49 <Cepheid> But, as it is, I'm expecting this to just be a case of "Okay, what are the meds you're taking?" "Now, tell me what brings you to me."
14:49 <Schism> So is this an endocrinological appointment, a generalist, or something else?
14:49 <Cepheid> General psychiatry.
14:50 <Schism> Ah, then absolutely bring it up.
14:50 <Cepheid> It was brought on by my last psychotic breakdown.
14:50 <Cepheid> I completely lost my shit and showed them the true extent of my episodes for a change.
14:50 <Schism> Ergh. And did you scream in your head, 'FINALLY~!' when they suggested you speak with a professional?
14:51 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/DNBsLYz.png I was looking for an image of my arm with the scars, and in the process I came across this. There's so little information on it, but I know exactly what it is.
14:51 <RazorSharpFang> Is that a cat?
14:51 <Cepheid> No.
14:51 <Cepheid> It's when Safi'jiiva used his Sapphire Star of the Emperor a second time in a row without creating crags. It was when I was utterly destroyed by it.
14:51 <Lumindia> what... the... oh
14:52 <Schism> That'll do it.
14:52 <Lumindia> hah
14:52 <Cepheid> Yeah, not a bug by the way, that.
14:52 * Schism noms upon Lumindia's ears. And nods. "That's a pretty good visual effect. And you didn't get behind the rock in time."
14:52 <Cepheid> It can happen rarely that he'll use it two times in a row in rapid succession. It occurs due to simply being too damned good.
14:52 <Cepheid> No.
14:52 <Cepheid> There were no rocks.
14:52 <Cepheid> See, you can interrupt the attacks that generate the rocks.
14:53 <Schism> Oh. So you basically triggered Hellfire with too much DPS before you broke the nails. o3o
14:53 <Cepheid> He's programmed to use two of them, but if your team uses such overwhelming force as to stagger him during all the attacks that create the rocks..
14:53 <Cepheid> You're left without any rocks when he does the next attack.
14:53 * Schism hecks at Lumindia.
14:53 * Lumindia hecks back
14:53 <Schism> Cepheid: Remember fighting Ifrit EX? Burn him down too fast, he'll automoidor you.
14:54 <Cepheid> I don't remember Ifrit EX, unfortunately.
14:54 <Schism> The one with the nails you have to destroy in the middle of the fight - three times. In order to get the pony.
14:54 <Cepheid> I'd like to know why, though, that Capcom didn't use the rocks thing with some variation for Alatreon.
14:54 <Cepheid> Alatreon is basically "Deal a certain amount of elemental damage to weaken the instakill."
14:55 <Cepheid> Problem is, the window isn't very long.
14:55 <Cepheid> And he spends half of it in the air.
14:55 <Cepheid> A better approach would have been say, to have hot rocks and cold crystal formations.
14:55 <Schism> "Boss is invincible, throw rocks at them."
14:55 <Schism> Oh, yeah.
14:55 <Cepheid> If he does the fire attack, hide behind the ice crystals. If he does the cold attack, hide behind hot rocks.
14:56 <Cepheid> Have them strewn about mixed up.
14:56 <Cepheid> But nah.
14:56 <Cepheid> They just went straight up "If you're not able to do enough damage, screw you."
14:56 <Schism> Oh. Porter Robinson's released a new song. -listen-
14:57 <Cepheid> You know.
14:57 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-PkgSdHkU
14:57 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
14:57 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Porter Robinson - Musician (Official Audio)
14:57 <Cepheid> I think Capcom's English Twitter account may have accidentally revealed the PC release early.
14:57 <Schism> DPS checks annoy me. Well, annoy _everyone_. Also... oh?
14:57 <Cepheid> It's not mentioned anywhere on the Japanese Twitter account *AT ALL*
14:58 <Cepheid> And none of the trailers mention the PC release.
14:59 <Cepheid> Hum. Next Monday, some sort of event starts for Monster Hunter overall.
14:59 <Cepheid> Mostly Rise and Stories 2.
15:00 <Cepheid> On Monday, it seems to be basic coverage of both games. Then on Tuesday, new footage. Then on Thursday, community stuff.
15:00 <Cepheid> My appointment will be starting soon, so if I go silent, my apologies.
15:07 <Lumindia> ...
15:07 <Lumindia> why is the CDC offering tips on how to survive a zombie apocalypse?
15:07 <Lumindia> Do they know something we don't?
15:07 <Schism> That seems reasonable. Those same tips which apply to a zombie apocalypse also suit any kind of pandemic.
15:08 <Schism> And perhaps this way more idiots will pay attention.
15:08 <Lumindia> it better be 'night of the living dead' zombies and not '28 days later' zombies
15:08 <Lumindia> if we get fast zombies, imma peace out 'cause I'm dead anyway
15:08 <Schism> Considering the state of most of the anti-vaxxers, I believe you could simply move at a fast walk while they waddle after.
15:09 <Schism> They are not particularly healthy individuals for the most part.
15:09 <RazorSharpFang> Completely coincidental. Don't mind the mushroom cloud
15:10 <Schism> Admittedly, in a zombie apocalypse, unless I get to an insulin foundry, I'd rather end myself than risk biting someone in a nanite/virus/necromancy-fueled fugue.
15:10 <Lumindia> that'd be regardless of 'slow vs fast' zombies?
15:10 <Schism> Indeed. Breakdown of civilization = diabetes go brrrrrr.
15:11 <Schism> It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
15:12 <Schism> Admittedly, striken with DKA, I'd make a very slow zombie indeed.
15:14 <Schism> Lumindia, have you been following the US Consumer Product Safety Commission?
15:14 <Schism> Whoever is in charge of their Twitter account is either insane, a genius, or an insane genius. https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1367295610123149315
15:15 <Lumindia> the what?
15:16 <Schism> The USCPSC is the group in charge of governmental recalls of unsafe products, as well as statements about safety and the like. For example, they made a number of posts about keeping electric heaters from burning down your house.
15:16 <Schism> (Joke's on them, I live in an apartment, ha-ha!)
15:17 <Schism> Not content to get their word out the traditional way, they've made a number of dadaist posts of late which, to be honest, _are_ rather eye-catching.
15:17 <RazorSharpFang> Reject tradition, embrace change.
15:17 <Schism> And indeed they are.
15:19 <RazorSharpFang> "Change is always good. Change everything." *time passes, circumstances change* "REGRET, AAA!"
15:19 <Schism> [Me, sowing] Ahahaha, YES, yes! [Me, reaping] Well, this sucks.
15:21 <Schism> ... https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1366056966745899013/photo/1 - While I appreciate the message, I have to wonder what drugs they're on, and if I might be eligible.
15:21 <RazorSharpFang> Speaking of reaping, markets are seriously down today.
15:22 <RazorSharpFang> Except Exxon Mobil's gone to new heights.
15:22 <RazorSharpFang> If I put my money that I put into green energy into oil stocks I'd be doing so much better.
15:23 <Lumindia> ...
15:23 <Schism> Well, green energy is a long game.
15:23 * Lumindia is looking through that twitter acout
15:23 <Lumindia> account*
15:23 <Lumindia> what the crap are they on?
15:23 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, I bought calls on ICLN - a green energy ETF, expiring in 687 days. Maybe it'll be doing better then.
15:23 <Schism> Lumin: I love it. It's possibly the most on-the-ball governmental Twitter account I've ever seen.
15:24 <Schism> RSF: Eugh. Yeah, hopefully...
15:24 <RazorSharpFang> I have investments in First Solar, a solar company... down bigly right now.
15:26 <RazorSharpFang> AT&T is up though. Hmm.
15:26 <Lumindia> PFFT
15:26 <Lumindia> I found my favorite one
15:26 <Lumindia> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuwujrUXcAY9r_5?format=jpg&name=900x900
15:27 <Lumindia> Steam Dragons
15:27 <Schism> Telecoms are pretty fungible.
15:27 <Schism> YES, Lumin. Yes. X3
15:28 <Schism> And the best part is, this sort of absurdity _works_. It's the stupidest possible solution to a stupid problem, but it's viable.
15:28 <Lumindia> I mean, if it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid
15:28 <RazorSharpFang> I maintain that if it works it's not stupid eah
15:28 <Lumindia> and it's not like they're asking you to DO Something stupid to protect yourself
15:28 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, however, Nokia is down.
15:28 <Schism> Oh, it's still stupid, but it's also practical.
15:28 <Lumindia> just using overly silly pictures to get their point across
15:29 <Lumindia> like, if you're scrolling through your timeline and see a random picture of a DRAGON, you're gonna stop and look, if only for a moment
15:29 * Schism noddles.
15:29 <Schism> Oh, Nokia. Um... they're... right, they were a cell phone company back in the day. What are they doing now?
15:30 <RazorSharpFang> Telecommunication technology, software and hardware.
15:30 <Schism> Lumindia, if you're scrolling through your timeline and see a pink bouncy castle, you're going to do the same.
15:30 <Schism> Still telecoms. I can't imagine they're down that far, unless they're not quite as relevant in the market as they used to be.
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15:30 <RazorSharpFang> Nokia is a software and hardware provider, they don't do end-user contracts.
15:31 <RazorSharpFang> They are not a service provider.
15:32 <Schism> Something something service software, but I get what you mean. I just remember Nokia-branded cell phones, which of course used other telecoms for the actual service.
15:33 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, but there is a difference between selling a phone to a person, and selling a 5G radio antenna and the backing software.
15:34 <RazorSharpFang> And by "Radio Antenna" I mean a big chonker.
15:34 <Schism> Oh, selling infrastructure, yeah, that's a bit of a difference.
15:35 <RazorSharpFang> Nokia's one of the 5G companies people are looking out for.
15:35 <Schism> Eh, must have been a wave of '5G causes [insert dystrophy here]' posts or something. It'll bounce back up.
15:36 <RazorSharpFang> The entire Nasdaq is down today.
15:36 <Schism> That's because today is when a bill is being read out in the Senate which would disadvantage large US corporations.
15:36 <RazorSharpFang> That explains why these small companies are down too ... ?
15:37 <Schism> Smol companies too. (If they're on the NASDAQ, are they small?) It's depressed the market until things become more clear.
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15:37 <RazorSharpFang> I would say there is a difference between a company like Zoom and Royal Dutch Shell.
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15:38 <Schism> Well, yes. Still, with a vote in process, I imagine many traders are holding onto their assets with both hands.
15:39 <RazorSharpFang> I am wondering if this vote suddenly came about? Markets were seriously up on the Monday (US)
15:39 <Lumindia> https://twitter.com/joebell_/status/1367121778053685251
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15:40 <Schism> It's been in the making, but this is the first major Senate Bill (SB1) and House Bill (HB1) for the year.
15:40 <RazorSharpFang> I foolishly bet on Exxon Mobil going down. The bet's still ongoing (and has 687 days to expire) so we'll have to see about that.
15:40 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
15:40 <LibrarianofHope> so no diamond hands owo
15:41 <RazorSharpFang> I will diamond hand that play into the ground.
15:41 <RazorSharpFang> i said it's still ongoing
15:41 <LibrarianofHope> let me do my silly memes
15:41 * LibrarianofHope bonks razor
15:42 <RazorSharpFang> There are no silly memes. My memes are the memes that will pierce the heavens!
15:42 <LibrarianofHope> i been watching a guy called randy feltface
15:42 <Schism> The first thing a certain crank tried to do yesterday was call a motion to dismiss the Senate at 9:30 AM.
15:42 <LibrarianofHope> he did a skit on what i guess is australian parliament? good stuff
15:43 <RazorSharpFang> Was that Mitch?
15:43 <Schism> No, it was MTG.
15:43 <RazorSharpFang> Don't know that one.
15:43 <LibrarianofHope> magic the gathering
15:43 <Schism> Marjorie Tayler Greene.
15:44 <Schism> Wikipedia describes her accurately as 'an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist serving as the U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district.'
15:44 <LibrarianofHope> that one!
15:44 <LibrarianofHope> the q anon crazy
15:44 <Schism> That's her.
15:44 <LibrarianofHope> its like a trumo leftover version owo
15:45 <Schism> I may or may not have described Boris Johnson (of the UK) as 'the TESCO brand Trump'.
15:46 <LibrarianofHope> dont have data on the guy so cant say
15:46 <RazorSharpFang> Even the conspiracy theorists have a right to parliamentary representation if their candidate gets in.
15:47 <LibrarianofHope> they shouldnt have
15:47 <Schism> That's entirely true, RSF. Worrisome, but true.
15:47 <Schism> LibrarianofHope, Boris Johnson is a Soriana-branded Trump.
15:47 <LibrarianofHope> nah
15:47 <LibrarianofHope> soriana is actually helpfull
15:48 * Schism puffycheeks.
15:48 <LibrarianofHope> for the effect pyu want is Oxxo-Branded Trump
15:48 <Schism> Ah, thank you.
15:49 <Schism> But honestly. Just look at the man. https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339154550889/Boris-Johnson-at-Shaftebu-001.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=c43e1feb1bb8a2fea0b068f4ab28cade
15:49 <LibrarianofHope> oxo is like 7 eleven, just more
15:49 <RazorSharpFang> His hair is like... a birds' nest??
15:49 <Schism> "Tousled."
15:49 <LibrarianofHope> punched
15:50 <Schism> And his physical appearance is a step up from his political acumen.
15:50 <LibrarianofHope> schism , why did you pick up Soriana as a mexico reference of all things?
15:50 <LibrarianofHope> its fairly specific owo
15:51 <Schism> I was looking for large chains of stores which have their own branding.
15:51 <LibrarianofHope> ahh
15:51 <LibrarianofHope> Soriana is pretty upscale
15:51 <Schism> Typically, in the US, this equates with lower-quality product, but Soriana seems better, yeah.
15:51 <LibrarianofHope> Bodega Aurera is your ticket
15:52 <Schism> I should know better. While 'Great Value', Wal*Mart's branding, is complete shite, 'President's Choice', up here in Canada, is typically quite palatable.
15:54 <Schism> Plus, we have an entire chain of stuffs labeled "No Name".
15:54 <Schism> They just have yellow labels displaying what they contain.
15:54 <LibrarianofHope> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPlXLZIawQ
15:54 <RazorSharpFang> We have something called "Black and gold" that has... black and gold packaging.
15:56 <Schism> This is how these packages look. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/No_name_cheese_rice_crackers_2012_%28cropped%29.jpg
15:56 <RazorSharpFang> This is ours https://res.cloudinary.com/yourgrocer/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,h_600,w_600/v1415151056/zlognasg2efsdqfpvzta.jpg
15:57 <Schism> Big text, small branding, it's pretty much the same. Easily displays what the bottle actually _has_ in it.
15:58 <Schism> (For more information, please reread.)
16:00 <RazorSharpFang> I wonder how long until packaging will just have a QR code for the nutritional info
16:01 <Schism> Hopefully quite some time.
16:01 <Schism> Speaking of, I should make myself some breakfast. Bacon, eggs, hashbrowns.
16:02 <Schism> Or just wait until my brother awakens, at which point, _then_ I'll make the stuffs.
16:02 <RazorSharpFang> Sounds good. The hashbrowns count as vegetables.
16:02 <LibrarianofHope> we have icons for stuff
16:02 <Schism> They're potatoes. Just... _starchy_ vegetables.
16:03 <LibrarianofHope> for example, judge symbls that say "high sugar" on the package
16:03 <RazorSharpFang> As opposed to Sweetcorn, which is not a vegetable.
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> Chilis however, are fruit.
16:04 <Schism> I BEG your pardon, sir. Sweet corn is a perfectly fine vegetable. Especially with butter, salt, sriracha, and pepper.
16:04 <Schism> And chilis are indeed a fruit.
16:04 <LibrarianofHope> chili is fruit?
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> Of course.
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> They have seeds.
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> They come after flowers.
16:05 <LibrarianofHope> they do?
16:05 <LibrarianofHope> makes sense
16:05 <Schism> Yup, chili peppers do count taxonomically as a fruit.
16:05 <Lumindia> UwU
16:05 <RazorSharpFang> How could this be a surprise? I cannot believe someone would know less about something than I do.
16:05 <Schism> That's not the way you do it, RSF.
16:06 <Schism> You say, "Glad I could help you learn something new. Now go out and learn more!"
16:06 <Lumindia> honestly, something in my brain probably knew chili peppers were fruit...
16:06 <Lumindia> but for some reason I've always just classified them on their own
16:06 <RazorSharpFang> Avocadoes are also fruit. I like to put them in fruit salad.
16:06 <Lumindia> like, neither fruit nor vegetable
16:06 <Lumindia> they're just 'chili pepper'
16:06 <Schism> Lumin: That's because you were thinking of peppers in a burrito. Or possibly stuffed peppers filled with rice and ground beef.
16:07 <Schism> Whereupon they are absolutely vegetables. o3o
16:07 <RazorSharpFang> Peppers are... something else though.
16:07 <RazorSharpFang> Peppercorn? Hmm.
16:07 <Schism> For chili peppers, the seeds are inside...
16:08 * Schism sighs. "Crap." She's going to have to head to the store and pick up some ground beef and tomatoes.
16:09 <Schism> (And green bell peppers.)
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16:25 <Cepheid> Whoo.
16:25 <Cepheid> Not done yet, but whoo.
16:25 <Cepheid> Just full of alllll sorts of questions and explanations, that.
16:25 <RazorSharpFang> Good interactions?
16:25 <Cepheid> So far, yeah.
16:26 <Cepheid> She needs 20 minutes to talk with a superior, and then the rest of the appointment is after that.
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16:31 <Cepheid> https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30403233 Were it me, it would have haunted me forever to not rescue those cats.
16:32 <Cepheid> I can understand why they'd be left behind. The cats themselves are panicking, and, well, quite frankly? Grabbing a panicking, scared cat isn't easy, and could easily take more time than you have.
16:38 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, I'll give the datatype UI-switching a try at work tomorrow for a prototype and let you know how it goes.
16:38 <Cepheid> Sounds good.
16:38 <Cepheid> Don't break anything.
16:39 <RazorSharpFang> It's an experimental prototype. Not production. Breaking things encouraged.
16:39 <Cepheid> Hum. AMD announced a new card.
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16:40 <Cepheid> RX 6700 XT. Supposed to compete with the GTX 3070.
16:40 <Cepheid> Also $479 USD. So...
16:40 <Cepheid> $603 CAD.
16:40 <Cepheid> But of course, no one will ever be able to find one.
16:40 <Cepheid> Because Cryptomining is THE FUTURE!
16:41 <LibrarianofHope> not sure, but doesnt cryptomining has to have an upper limit?
16:41 <Cepheid> It has an upper limit, and also draws a LOT of power.
16:41 <LibrarianofHope> bitcoins are not infinite no?
16:42 <Cepheid> To the point that a recent artist came under fire for his NFT that, within what, 1 month, used up enough electricity to run a typical home for 40 years or so?
16:43 <LibrarianofHope> i bitcoin is 1 million pesos
16:43 <LibrarianofHope> 1
16:43 <Cepheid> Video cards draw a lot of power to do what they do, so it stands to reason that they'll use a lot of electricity if running 24/7.
16:44 <LibrarianofHope> 1,031,792.19 pesos for 1 bitcoin
16:44 <LibrarianofHope> why?
16:45 <Schism> Because speculation is a virus.
16:46 <Schism> Think of how many man-hours were expended digging for gold in the hills of California, and then think of how much gold was actually found.
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> i want a bitcoin
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> albeit, who could i sell the thing too
16:47 <Schism> Mostly, other people who want a bitcoin. Of whom there are diminishingly small numbers.
16:47 <Cepheid> Speculation, and people seeding the system through questionable methods. That's what sets the prices.
16:47 <Cepheid> As we've seen with GME, if people want something to do well, all they have to do is get a bunch of people to be stupid.
16:48 <Schism> GME is a bit of an odd case.
16:48 <LibrarianofHope> very
16:48 <LibrarianofHope> bitcoin is weird in itself
16:49 <LibrarianofHope> if i had a bitcoin i would sell for like a quarter of the million price i i got paid inmediatly
16:49 <LibrarianofHope> i could pay my debt
16:49 <LibrarianofHope> and have to spare
16:50 <Schism> I, personally, would have shorted Gamestop. It's a failing company in a failing economy, and their entire market value is based on buying used games for pennies on the dollar and then reselling them at an absurd markup.
16:50 <Schism> However, seeing people short more shares than actually exist is a circumstance which demands karmic retribution.
16:51 <Cepheid> My point with GME though was that with a bit of effort, it's possible to manipulate market prices for stuff.
16:51 <LibrarianofHope> thtas what they been doing for decades
16:51 <Schism> True. That's... kind of what Wall Street does in general, though.
17:11 * Schism snrks at today's RLC.
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17:19 <Cepheid> All done of appointment. I have been forwarded to various resources. They also want to talk to my parents, whoo.
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17:20 <Schism> Ermgh.
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17:21 <Schism> Cepheid: If it helps, I'm desperately trying not to become interested in Blaseball.
17:21 <Cepheid> Blaseball?
17:21 <DerpyBot> *derp*
17:21 <Cepheid> I'm also fine with them talking with my parents. It's a fair reason, after all. They want to get their perspective on what my episodes are like.
17:22 <Schism> That's sensible...
17:22 <Schism> A fictional variant of baseball where the players are regularly incinerated (and come back from the dead), the bases are properly loaded, some teams are teamsters, and the whole thing is a gigantic mess of roleplaying and whatnot.
17:22 <Cepheid> Ah.
17:23 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, I'm gonna go try to take a nap.
17:23 <Schism> Rest well.
17:23 <Cepheid> I've been up since like 3 AM, and I'm feeling a bit groggy and have class later, so..
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17:44 <Schism> I feel sorry for Researcher King.
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17:58 <Cepheid> Can't sleep. Just gonna relax, I guess, then.
17:58 <Cepheid> Hum..
17:59 <Cepheid> If the OST is anything to go by, then I only have two more labyrinths to go until..
17:59 <Cepheid> Looks like the next two are...
18:00 <Cepheid> Golden Lair from EO4, and..
18:00 <Cepheid> Sandy Dunes from EO1.
18:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Open My Little Pony Art Compilation (All Skill Levels Welcome) #77 [ https://tinyurl.com/ybxlchym ]
18:06 <Cepheid> Mmhmm... that's an idea.
18:08 <Cepheid> I ran into a problem with an old game design I had come up with for a game, involving an EO-style game and descending into a pit. The problem I faced was if the pit was of any reasonable size, the floors would be sprawling, massive.
18:09 <Schism> That sort of Made in Abyss sort of thing would indeed require enormous dungeon levels.
18:10 <Cepheid> An alternative way to create the feeling of descending into a Gaping Wound in the Earth, would be to have each floor be a section of a spiral that goes around the edge.
18:10 <Cepheid> With each complete circling around the pit being one stratum.
18:10 <Cepheid> And to further give the impression of depth, the traversal from one stratum to another is a steep drop.
18:11 <Cepheid> Of course, one could just straight up use large floors, but make the pit smaller in radius.
18:12 <Cepheid> I mean, let's assume that we have three party members in a row, as in EO. They presumably have enough space that they can stretch out their arms, and not touch the other, while still having space along the sides.
18:13 <Cepheid> Let's assume the reach across from the tip of one's longest finger to the other end is about 6 feet. Let's add a foot in between each character and the walls, so.. 1 + 6 + 1 + 6 + 1 +6 + 1 = 4 + 24 = 28 feet across. Each cell is depicted as being square, so 28x28 feet.
18:13 <Cepheid> A single floor of an EO maze is 35x30 cells.
18:14 <Cepheid> 980 feet by 840 feet.
18:16 <Cepheid> So a single quadrant is thus 490 by 420 feet. The radius of a circle that would circumscribe the entire floor map then would be 645.368 feet.
18:17 <Cepheid> You know, that's quite large.
18:20 <Cepheid> It's 196.708 meters. Nearly half the distance to the top floor of the CN Tower. That would result in... quite a large tree.
18:20 <Cepheid> Or hole.
18:22 <Cepheid> So, centered on my house, a circle that large would take up half of the nearby park, the entire neighbourhood around me, and a good portion of the neighborhood next door.
18:24 <Cepheid> Huh.
18:24 <Cepheid> The Made in Abyss pit is only 1000 meters across, approximately.
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18:25 <Schism> At the top. Later on it ... contracts and expands, as it's the mouth of a freaking eldritch abomination.
18:25 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
18:25 <Cepheid> Anyhow..
18:26 <Cepheid> There's other ways to maintain the size, while still going for depth.
18:27 <Cepheid> Again, spiral approach. Or perhaps each stratum is simply one floor, with a massive pit descending to the next stratum.
18:27 <Cepheid> If the stratum needs to be multiple floors, the entire map doesn't NEED to be filled in.
18:28 <Cepheid> It can be a criss-crossing web of thin bridgeways leading to largish islands.
18:32 <Cepheid> Of course, it doesn't have to be a pit, either. Could be a tower-like structure. I have a few story ideas, really.
18:35 <Schism> fffffff... Cephy, if you don't already follow the USCPSC, why not?
18:36 <Schism> They post stuff like this. https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1367542612392095747/photo/1
18:36 <Cepheid> Heh.
18:37 <Schism> A tower also works...!
18:38 <Schism> Hmm, thin bridgeways. Made of spider webs?
18:38 <Cepheid> More like, structured like a spider's web.
18:38 * Schism nods.
18:40 <Schism> Urgh. Jen needs a nap. Be back shortly.
18:40 <Cepheid> I should try again to take a nap myself.
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19:36 <DerpyBot> *derp*
19:46 <PinkieShy> Ugh..
19:46 <PinkieShy> Neighbor's puppy just ran up to my dog biting him on the ears again and wouldn't leave us alone
19:46 <PinkieShy> I picked my dog up and he the puppy goes biting me.. :/
19:46 <PinkieShy> I open the door to try to go back inside and the puppy tried to follow me inside..
19:47 <PinkieShy> I don't want to sound rude but they need to put that puppy on a leash or something..
19:47 <PinkieShy> Cause knowing some people out here.. Animal control might be called over this puppy trying to go in others house..
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20:59 * Ali rolls around the super quiet channel
21:16 * Cepheid flops.
21:16 * Cepheid has to survive for 2 more hours.
21:19 <Ali> What a horrible night for a curse
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21:22 * Ali noms on the Crimson_Tail tail.
21:25 * Cepheid wanders off to class. Doesn't want to. Wants to sleeeeeep.
21:31 * Dappled flop horse.
21:31 * Ali scoops up Dappled and hugs on lots!
21:31 * Dappled hugs Ali back. He's the exhausted horse.
21:32 * Ali understands the pain of retail and hugs the Dappled even moreso.
21:36 * Dappled chews on a stick and continues to snuggle.
21:39 <Crimson_Tail> aaa
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21:51 * Dappled obtains arbys.
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22:02 * Ali obtains Dappled tail to nom
22:03 * Dappled 's tail is not fluffy enough. Has been to tired use conditioner.
22:11 <Crimson_Tail> mine isn't that tasty either.
22:16 <Ali> But still nommable
22:16 * Ali noms on the combo of Crimson_Tail and Dappled tails~
22:19 * Dappled wriggles.
22:26 <Crimson_Tail> a
22:42 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/8NGd1PL.jpg
22:42 <Cepheid> Kitty look disproportionate.
22:42 <Dappled> Big paws.
22:49 <PinkieShy> Ugh..
22:49 <PinkieShy> I forgot my gmail password again! :/
22:49 <PinkieShy> This is like the 7th time in a few months..
22:49 <PinkieShy> Maybe i need to just add it to KeePass and just be done with it.
22:54 <Ali> Fur, throws a body size off
22:57 * Dappled puts a lot of fur on the ground. This should allow him to reach low earth orbit.
22:59 * Schism makes steak, bacon, potatoes, and eggs. It's close enough to breakfast, right?
23:00 <Dappled> I mean, I woke up like 2 and half hours ago, so yes?
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23:01 * PinkieShy looks at Ali
23:01 <Dappled> Pony Life season 1 ended? What?
23:01 * Dappled barely knew it existed.
23:01 <Ali> Its not very good Dappled
23:02 * Ali squeaks at PinkieShy
23:02 <Dappled> As is traditional of pony media.
23:02 * PinkieShy hands The poni a cinnamon bun
23:03 * Ali already had a few today thanks
23:03 * Dappled had mozz sticks today.
23:05 * Schism supposes she might pass Dappled some of the smoked meat.
23:07 * Dappled noms but must get ready for work. Likely has another 10 hour day ahead.
23:08 <Lumindia> roommates made Pepperoni bread
23:08 * Ali hecks at Lumindia
23:08 * Lumindia hecks back
23:08 <Lumindia> why the heck?
23:15 <Ali> Cause of the heckenings
23:15 * Ali flops over Lumindia and yawns
23:30 * Schism goes all ;-; at SCP-5470.
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23:35 <LibrarianofHope> scp 5470
23:35 <LibrarianofHope> they seem like system spirits to me
23:36 * LibrarianofHope glomps ali
23:36 <Schism> It was meant to be a paradise for those with nowhere else to go. Sadly, data rot hit it hard.
23:36 * Ali splats
23:36 <LibrarianofHope> owo
23:37 <LibrarianofHope> i can understand that idea
23:37 <LibrarianofHope> my library is designed on that
23:41 * Schism splorfs. "GAW trolls the Foundation... by putting a fictional Site 50 on Google Maps.
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> there is an ultramarine scp
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> owo
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> as in an actual pshycic mini
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> an ultramarine that makes the player roll to win all the time
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> you would love him Ali
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> owo
23:43 <Schism> What's the fun of playing if you _win_ all the time?
23:43 <Schism> But yes. o3o http://www.scpwiki.com/scp-5304
23:43 <Ali> Cause that's what the Mahreens are built to do
23:43 <Ali> You charge them, they get mad and attack harder
23:43 <Ali> Like, this makes no sense
23:43 <LibrarianofHope> the anomalous mini thinks its an real one, so for the empah and stuff
23:43 <Ali> that a stupid mahreen boi gets more attacks than a gaunt designed to kill
23:44 <Schism> Bah. Well, that's why Space Hulk games involve two rounds, with each player being either the Genestealers or the Marines. (And it's properly asymmetric.)
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> but empah
23:44 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> bless you
23:44 <Ali> Genestealers in those games aren't pushovers Schism
23:44 * LibrarianofHope glomps surry
23:44 * Schism provides Filly_Nightmares wif tissues and hashbrowns!
23:44 <Schism> Ali: Oh, I know. I played the PC version at one point.
23:44 * Filly_Nightmares squishies and nom nom nom hashbrown!
23:45 <Schism> Not the recent one, the one from back in the '90s.
23:45 <Ali> Here's what confuses me the most right now Schism
23:45 <LibrarianofHope> i have a full marine force
23:45 <Ali> It used to be gaunts had 2 attacks base vs marine's 1
23:45 <LibrarianofHope> with big man calgar
23:45 <Ali> Max squad size was 32 vs 10
23:45 <Ali> charge gave you an attack bonus
23:45 <Ali> So it would be 96 attacks vs 10 mahreen models
23:46 * LibrarianofHope rolls to eee at surry
23:46 <Ali> And here where it makes less sense
23:46 <Ali> Gaunts cost 10 points a model back then
23:46 <Ali> Last I used them, they were 5
23:46 * LibrarianofHope rerolls, gets eeeee
23:46 <LibrarianofHope> eeeeeeee
23:46 <Ali> And 60 of them couldn't even scratch a freaking marine
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> for context, Ali is talking about tyranids
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> which are ugly bugs
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> from spess
23:48 <Schism> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Space_Hulk_Terminator_View_Screen.png
23:51 <LibrarianofHope> Dappled
23:52 <LibrarianofHope> you like marines dappled buddy ol pal?
23:55 <Ali> I think dap is suffering at work now
23:56 <Schism> Ali: if you can copy and paste this link... https://twitter.com/daily_eevee/status/1318254898631290880
23:57 <Ali> Silly, but not a fan of that silly meme template
23:57 <Schism> Fair 'nuff.
23:57 <Ali> Just using the stretch tool, meh
23:58 <Ali> And I have no idea why all twitter links just refuse to work for me.
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