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00:24 <Ali> Too bad its 7PM and not 7AM :P
00:32 <PinkieShy> Got around to complaining to Stouffers for the tray melting or breaking on me the other day on the mac and cheese..
00:32 <PinkieShy> They got me some coupons coming my way as a replacement
00:40 <Ali> Wee coupons for more defective trays!
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00:56 <Nedemai> fish out of water!
00:56 * Ali squeaks at the Nedemai
00:56 <Nedemai> D:
00:56 <Nedemai> I've been squeaked at oh no!
00:59 * Ali flops over Nedemai and yawnsies
01:00 <Nedemai> heya Ali
01:00 <Nedemai> you know I still draw ponies?
01:00 * Ali wavies hoofise and shakes head
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01:26 <Nedemai> gonna link pony drawing then
01:27 <Nedemai> which is the preferred platform lol
01:28 <Nedemai> well, here is pone I drew tonight
01:28 <Nedemai> https://derpibooru.org/images/2597464
01:28 <Nedemai> I normally dont post to derpibooru though
01:29 <Schism> Fizzlepop Berrytwist is a fine pone.
01:30 <Schism> And this is a perfectly show-accurate Twilight; well done. https://www.deviantart.com/nedemai/art/Chubby-Twilight-318305572
01:30 <Schism> @Nedemai: What, you call HB cute. How dare.
01:31 <Nedemai> she is absolutely adorable
01:31 <Nedemai> and she needs more bows
01:32 <Schism> You misspelled 'ribbons'.
01:32 <Nedemai> streamers?
01:32 <Schism> Spider pins.
01:32 <Schism> Adorable spiders.
01:32 * Schism ahems. And naps for a little longer.
01:34 <Nedemai> most of my stuff filters into tumblr cause its where I get the most attention just incase anyone wanted to go looking
01:35 <Ali> Tumblr survived the great exodus?
01:35 <Nedemai> a lot of pony stuff seemed to
01:36 <Nedemai> youd also be suprised how much porn people still post there when they aren't suppose to
01:36 * Ali boops Nedemai, NSFW topic
01:36 * Ali licks
01:36 <Nedemai> ah, sorry
01:36 <Schism> These two are so cute. (Also, J is great.) https://www.sdamned.com/
01:37 <Ali> But when you have bots do work that real people did, its easy to miss things
01:37 <Nedemai> way to used to a more.... ahem .. liberal servers
01:37 <Nedemai> and I dont mean that in any political sense
01:37 <Ali> Eh I'm sure it doesn't matter anymore, but gotta keep the channel PG
01:37 <Nedemai> that is fair and I respect it
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06:25 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
06:26 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid and PinkieShy; Mlles Ali and Schism.
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07:21 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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07:25 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
07:25 <Finwe> o7
07:25 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
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07:30 * ConfusionRift might need new headphones. Starting to sound scratchy.
08:20 <Finwe> ScrartchySounds
08:20 <Finwe> !seen SketchySounds
08:20 <DerpyBot> Finwe: The last time I saw SketchySounds was 2016-02-23 20:48:48 UTC
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09:27 * ConfusionRift plays the R-Type demo really quick.
09:53 <ConfusionRift> Well... already have a few theories in my head.
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10:56 * Cepheid awakens.
11:00 <Cepheid> How's it going this cold morning?
11:01 <ConfusionRift> Doing alright. Just thinking about R-Type, and writing some other stuff, before I forget later.
11:04 <Cepheid> Heh.
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11:08 * ConfusionRift sighs. "I know. Just had a shmup itch for a bit, and it's getting worse."
11:08 <Cepheid> Why are you sighing?
11:08 <ConfusionRift> I suspect it'll subside pretty soon.
11:08 <ConfusionRift> Kinda tired.
11:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2270 [ https://tinyurl.com/yzeqjhzs ]
11:10 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/dBBgUlq This is...
11:10 <ConfusionRift> That demo boss patterns were stupid easy and predictable... and I had issues with it... somehow. Maybe my shmup thing has faded.
11:11 <Cepheid> ...
11:11 <Cepheid> Huh.
11:11 <Cepheid> Apparently I woke up twice last night, screaming from nightmares?
11:11 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
11:12 <Cepheid> I don't even remember anything like that, I was so out of it from exhaustion.
11:12 <Cepheid> I feel like I slept well though.
11:14 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/wgTdqWw Heh.
11:16 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/5ug2I5V ... Really?
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11:17 <RazorSharpFang> I'm off to a client's headquarters tomorrow. *stress*
11:17 <Cepheid> My parents apparently rushed to my bedroom when I had the nightmares, I was that loud. And apparently I was making no sense.
11:20 <ConfusionRift> Oh... you were still asleep then. Or at least, subconsciously responding.
11:23 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
11:23 <Cepheid> Probably why I don't remember it, and why I feel like I slept well.
11:23 <ConfusionRift> 1) I have not seen lightning bugs in ages. Aside from lighting up, some click. 2) It reminds me of the fools who run over the one way spikes at parking buildings.
11:25 <Cepheid> Heh.
11:26 <Cepheid> We call lightning bugs "fireflies" up here. I haven't seen any in a while myself. They aren't common in the neighbourhoods I live in.
11:26 * Schism has now uwuken. "Agh. But the bathroom is occupied."
11:26 <ConfusionRift> We call them that as well. It's just... had MH on my head for a second.
11:27 <Cepheid> Did see a number a few years back though, when we had to go to the airport. Turns out one of the roads leading to the airport is surrounded by forests which are populated by the bugs.
11:29 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/Czisotz ... Okay, so now I know what that's called.
11:29 <Cepheid> It'd also explain why I keep uttering the word "banana" or "bananery" randomly, especially when I'm alone.
11:29 <Cepheid> And no, I have no idea why those two words.
11:30 <Schism> Huh, wasn't aware that was a thing, thought it was just a quirk.
11:33 <ConfusionRift> Huh. Interesting.
11:34 * ConfusionRift wonders about certain things.
11:35 <Cepheid> Oh?
11:38 <ConfusionRift> Was reminded that back then I had this phrase that I repeated when I was working on a dialog. It made no sense, led nowhere, and really didn't get it from anywhere. It would never get a reply either. I don't remember it at this point, but was something that was on the back of my head for years.
11:44 <ConfusionRift> the reason why I mention it is because sometimes run dialogs in my head to kinda flood other things. So, back then, that phrase popped often.
11:46 <Cepheid> Yerp.
11:46 * ConfusionRift scratches his head. "I probably ditched it completely, since it was mostly a block. It likely got replaced with something else."
11:46 <Cepheid> A common phrase that I just randomly utter, which is related to one of the two words I mentioned earlier, is...
11:47 <Cepheid> "Get thee to a bananery." It's embarassing for me to admit this, but on the other hand, I have NO IDEA WHY I DO THIS.
11:47 <Cepheid> It's like my rhyming thing, where I go "goats and stoats eat oats on a boat."
11:48 <Cepheid> Boats made of soap float on a sea of ropes, while goats and stoats eat oats on the boat.
11:48 * Cepheid gets shot.
11:49 <Schism> Aw, this is nice. https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/04/11
11:50 <Cepheid> I use Twitter mainly for art, these days.
11:50 <ConfusionRift> ...what? | "...we need a floater, rope, a bag of oats, and someone who can navigate us overseas." | Ooooh.
11:51 <RazorSharpFang> Wow that's the worst name I've seen in a while.
11:51 <RazorSharpFang> `Australasian New Car Assessment Program` - ANCAP. Ahahahaha
11:51 <Cepheid> I avoid the politics by A) Telling Twitter I live in a different country and to give me trending topics from that country, such that I can't read the topics because they're in a foreign language, and B) By following only artists, and unfollowing people who I can understand who start causing or raising shit.
11:51 <Schism> Pfff. https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/03/29
11:52 * ConfusionRift just removes himself from Twitter for the time being.
11:52 <Cepheid> Yeah, Stephen Pastis is... He's quite the punner.
11:53 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift: That works too.
11:53 <Cepheid> But Twitter is such a good source of artwork to see, so..
11:54 * Schism makes herself a pot of strong chai.
11:54 <ConfusionRift> The reason for that is because, despite me putting together this large wall of nice artists, musicians, and gamers, it often falls apart due to circumstances.
11:55 <Cepheid> I haven't had much in the way of issues with how I handle it.
11:58 <ConfusionRift> For example, 3 of the people who I follow for gaming stuff posted a few days ago their replies in regards to idiots just being caustic for the sake of boiling blood. And two artists had breakdowns towards their follower base, with one of them recently calming down. So... when things get out of control... EJECT.
11:58 <ConfusionRift> I can always check the backlogs later.
12:02 <Cepheid> ... Geezus cripes.
12:02 <ConfusionRift> Oh... at there's also the Media tab I keep forgetting.
12:02 <Schism> Hum...
12:03 <Schism> Lot of artists having breakdowns. Shaenon Garrity had one earlier this month.
12:03 * Finwe hats on Schism.
12:04 * ConfusionRift nods and understands.
12:04 <Cepheid> I haven't seen anything like that in my timeline in months.
12:04 <Schism> Azul Crescent's taking a break herself.
12:05 <Schism> Think it's mostly because of stuff in Myanmar, though.
12:06 <Cepheid> Ah, there is that, yes.
12:06 <Cepheid> But it's less "taking it out on others" and more "I'm just gonna take some time off."
12:06 <Schism> Ah, yeah.
12:08 <Cepheid> The most controversial thing I've seen on Twitter in the last month or two has been over NFTs, and the usual argument of what constitutes art.
12:08 <Cepheid> Apparently artists will, themselves, argue over what is and isn't art.
12:09 <RazorSharpFang> Obviously, nothing is art.
12:09 <Schism> That's nothing new.
12:09 <Schism> I'm fairly certain that when the ceiling of the Sistene Chapel was painted, there were discussions over whether it really constituted art.
12:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend - Equestria Girls / Anthro MLP Art Gallery #291 [ https://tinyurl.com/ygwxyv7l ]
12:10 <Schism> Also, look at Jackson Pollock, Andy Warhol, and of course Pablo Picasso.
12:11 <RazorSharpFang> So many names and not a single artist mentioned UwU
12:12 * Finwe puts Schism into a Campbell's Tomato Soup can.
12:13 * ConfusionRift shrugs. Would rather not put the example he was about to mention when it came to breakdowns.
12:14 <ConfusionRift> It really subsided anyways, which is good.
12:14 * ConfusionRift switches. "Since when Andromalius was this painful."
12:19 <Cepheid> Hmm?
12:20 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah, also... (points at the Task Manager, with the browser consuming 2.5GB of memory, just on Twitter)
12:21 <ConfusionRift> It's another reason why I don't jump there too often.
12:21 * Cepheid points at Firefox taking up 3GB of RAM on laptop, despite only two open tabs, one of which is a webcomic, the other a wiki entry on the R-9F Andromalius.
12:22 <ConfusionRift> But... how? :P
12:22 <Cepheid> Browsers just use up a lot of RAM period.
12:23 <ConfusionRift> See, I got that same wiki page, and a youtube video running. It goes no more then 1GB.
12:25 <ConfusionRift> In any case, for some reason, Andromalius' firepower seems greater than the Arrow-Head's, photon cannon units, and the recon units.
12:27 <ConfusionRift> I understand the main lines and the recon units, but even the long range photon units? And it's not even the wave cannons, it's just it's regular firepower.
12:28 <ConfusionRift> Then again, it's the demo. It might change.
12:29 * ConfusionRift just remembered something.
12:30 <ConfusionRift> Andromalius is pretty far down the development tree. So it does kinda make sense.
12:31 <ConfusionRift> It's also a unit that experiments with force output, which also makes sense. Welp, I answered my own question.
12:40 <Cepheid> Heh.
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12:41 * Cepheid hands ConfusionRift a Bydo embryo. "Here, hold this." She then walks away.
12:44 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
12:44 <Cepheid> It sounds like the story of the series has been concussed, because the wiki seems to describe it as if the Bydo are from the future, but not, at the same time.
12:45 <ConfusionRift> It... kinda complicates itself with Final 1, and the other endings.
12:48 <Cepheid> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/04/08
12:49 <ConfusionRift> One of the endings, the pilot travels back in time to warn everyone of the upcoming Bydo invasion. There are Bydo doing their damnest to stop you. Wouldn't that mean they are capable to traveling through time and space as well?
12:49 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe they just hitched a ride from your after-effect and couldn't initiate it
12:51 <ConfusionRift> Actually, Final 2 is starting to sound like Final Stage C was the canon ending to the first. I mean, the Command games came after, but didn't play them to know if their story falls with the rest.
12:52 <Cepheid> The wiki makes it sound more like the events were initiated in the 26th century, but most of the games take place in the 22nd century.
12:55 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor
12:57 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys
12:57 <ConfusionRift> Huh, odd.
12:58 <ConfusionRift> "Ironically, the project was abandoned after the Bydo went rampant in the Solar System. They were transported into another dimension with a special weapon, (presumably a wormhole generator) where they continued to evolve and wander aimlessly. Somehow, the Bydo found a way back into the Humans' dimension (though in the 22nd Century) and again attempted to destroy them."
12:59 <ConfusionRift> They traveled back.
13:00 <Cepheid> Can you imagine that? Finding out that the thing you've been warring against is something YOU created in the future?
13:01 <RazorSharpFang> "Wow, future me isn't that great"
13:02 <Cepheid> Of course, since that creates a divergent timeline, you can't go and beat up the ones who actually started it.
13:03 <ConfusionRift> Well, from that read, it's more of a dimensional warp. So technically, it's not the same future. But still, ironic.
13:03 <Cepheid> Otherwise you get a paradox.
13:03 * ConfusionRift points Final Stage B.
13:04 <Cepheid> I wonder if time loops like that actually exist, heh.
13:05 <Cepheid> The problem with such time loops is the creation of them in the first place. The initial progression will not have the element introduced by the future.
13:05 <RazorSharpFang> That's presuming that time is a linear progression of cause to effect.
13:05 <Cepheid> Once introduced, the introduction would result in changes that could potentially erase, or prevent the future in which the element is then sent back in time.
13:06 <Cepheid> It'd be more like doing a loop-de-loop, with the exit leading out to a separate timeline.
13:07 <Cepheid> Now, a true mindscrew of time travel?
13:07 <Cepheid> Sending something back in time to prevent the act of sending that something back in time.
13:07 * Finwe bombards Cepheid with tachyons.
13:08 * Schism bounces through worldlines until she finds one where everybody lives.
13:13 <ConfusionRift> Hmm... just thought of something. Considering how the game is structured in Final 1, one could say each outing is a different pilot, or an alternate timeline. With Final Stage B being a lapse into a paradox resolve, or a pilot destroying another pilot.
13:15 * ConfusionRift checks the info for Twisted Ecology as suggested on an entry, and gets a headache.
13:16 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, I should be resting for work. So...
13:16 * ConfusionRift flops to sleep. "Lateeers!"
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13:17 <Cepheid> The mechanics of light annoy me with how they are expressed. The implication that an object that is going faster than the speed of light violates causality makes no sense to me.
13:19 <RazorSharpFang> Relativity is weird like that.
13:20 <Cepheid> Intuitively, it doesn't feel like that is "right" to me.
13:21 <Cepheid> Intuition tells me it'd be more akin to observing an object that moves by me too quickly for me to see it. That is, it still goes by me, but I just don't see it, because it's simply too fast. Just because I didn't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It still has an impact on things around me.
13:23 <RazorSharpFang> Well, information itself only travels at the speed of light. You can't have an object go faster than its effect does.
13:24 <Cepheid> That I can agree on. But a particle moving faster than light does not imply that it is somehow causing an effect before it happens.
13:24 <RazorSharpFang> What? Yes it does.
13:25 <RazorSharpFang> Effects propagate out at the speed of light too.
13:25 <Cepheid> Visible effects, yes.
13:25 <RazorSharpFang> Quantum entanglement does too.
13:25 <RazorSharpFang> Collapse doesn't happen faster than the speed of light.
13:27 <Cepheid> It's hard for me to express what I'm thinking of, because I am thinking in visual terms. Images.
13:28 <RazorSharpFang> But yeah physics gets weird at macro-scale and at micro-scale.
13:29 <Cepheid> I feel as though limiting ourselves to measuring stuff relative to some sort of known constant will inherently limit what we can understand.
13:30 <RazorSharpFang> Well if it's not relative to a constant than it's only relative.
13:30 <Cepheid> Suppose there are particles that move faster than the speed of light, but that the only reason we cannot see them is because they move so fast, that our measurement tools simply miss them?
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13:31 <Cepheid> Because our tools are calibrated against the speed of light being the upper limit.
13:31 <RazorSharpFang> You can suppose entities that are unconstrained by physics, but then there's no physical explanation you can level at them.
13:31 <Cepheid> That would require the invention of new fields of physics, then.
13:32 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but if there's no observation then how are you doing empiricism?
13:34 <Cepheid> You would have to be creating new tools, and sharing how to create those tools. But of course, one could argue that those tools are themselves changing the outcome of the experiment, creating false results.
13:34 <Cepheid> So how, exactly, does one prove the results are real?
13:36 <RazorSharpFang> Well, that depends on what you mean by real.
13:36 <Cepheid> It's... a problem I haven't been able to figure out satisfactorily with regards to science. Not that I distrust science, but I've always wondered.
13:37 <Cepheid> We come up with an experiment to prove something, and it is repeatable, with the same results.
13:37 <RazorSharpFang> If you're a philosopher, you make the axiom that if something has practical utility and works reliably than it's "real enough"
13:37 <Cepheid> But how can we be certain that the experiment itself did not fundamentally change something in the process of undertaking it?
13:38 <RazorSharpFang> Are you wondering about what does science do if experiments alter the rules of reality?
13:38 <Cepheid> That is a way of putting the question, yes.
13:38 <Cepheid> How can we be certain that what we are doing is not changing reality itself?
13:38 <RazorSharpFang> It may end up dancing with reality.
13:38 <Cepheid> Which I think goes into quantum physics.
13:38 <Cepheid> Changing the outcome by observing it.
13:39 <Cepheid> Which would make quantum physics "the physics of physics."
13:40 <RazorSharpFang> Metaphysics.
13:40 <Cepheid> I'm not saying I don't trust science, since obviously it "just works"
13:40 <Cepheid> But at the same time, I question some of the limits we set within physics.
13:40 <RazorSharpFang> Except for when it doesn't, which is surprisingly not that often.
13:41 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
13:42 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, the reason I have trust issues with the speed of light thing and measuring particles moving faster than the speed of light is due to problems within my own realm.
13:42 <Cepheid> A common physics problem in video games is tunneling.
13:42 <RazorSharpFang> I presume you don't mean VPNs
13:42 <Cepheid> No.
13:43 <Cepheid> It's when an object, from one time step to the next, takes such a large step in motion, that it tunnels through any intervening objects.
13:44 <RazorSharpFang> I like to perform multiple collision checks defined by its velocity divided by its collision-box-radius rounded up.
13:44 <Cepheid> It happens when an object is moving so fast that from timestep T1 to timestep T2, it's displacement puts it on the far side of the intervening solid object.
13:44 <Cepheid> That is usually the solution used, yes.
13:44 <Cepheid> You break the motion up into smaller steps.
13:44 <RazorSharpFang> But then for fast moving objects you're performing upwards of 10+ collision checks per frame and then the game chugs
13:45 <Cepheid> That is the usual downside, yes.
13:45 <RazorSharpFang> But you do get a similar problem in real-world physics where gaps can be small enough that electronics just... leap across?
13:45 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> I have no idea how they're going to solve that for embedded chip manufacturing.
13:47 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, the basic gist of the problem I see involves two factors.
13:48 <Cepheid> One, the density of the particles in question. Obviously, a greater density is better for measurement, but what if the particles we're looking for aren't that dense? Like, one every few seconds or so? The second part..
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13:48 <Cepheid> How large of an area would we have to be measuring in order to see these particles traverse in order to capture just one? Presumably if it's moving faster than the speed of light, that area would have to be quite large.
13:49 <RazorSharpFang> I mean, how dense do you think an electron is?
13:49 <Cepheid> I'm talking in terms of noticing the existence of a particle.
13:49 <RazorSharpFang> Right, and electrons are great because they've got this electric field you can use to measure its existence.
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13:52 <Cepheid> In any case, my point is that if we say, scan over an volume, then it's possible that the particle we're looking for simply keeps "tunneling" past the volume between each scan, either because the volume simply isn't large enough(and it'd have to be large to guarantee at least one particle moving faster than the speed of light can be detected in it), or the tools we're using simply aren't capable of doing the scans fast enough.
13:53 <Cepheid> As for looking for the effects of such particles has on stuff around it..
13:53 <Cepheid> There are particles known to quite literally pass through the Earth without ever touching it physically.
13:54 * Schism brrs. "Lousy smarch weather..." Oh, yes, neutrinos.
13:54 <RazorSharpFang> I think the highest frequency waves will do that, and the lowest frequence waves.
13:54 <Cepheid> We can only catch neutrinos with specially designed equipment, and I don't even think that equipment is capable of capturing all of them.
13:55 <Schism> https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2014-03-23
13:59 <Cepheid> In any case, we face two basic problems. A large enough volume of material that has a guaranteed chance to detect a particle moving faster than the speed of light, and a way of measuring it's existence such that between one measurement and the next, the particle simply doesn't tunnel through the danged thing.
14:00 <Cepheid> To guarantee it though, you'd need a cubic volume of material that's at least 1 c on all sides. The exact size is dependent on the speed at which you think the particle moves.
14:00 <Cepheid> And beyond that, the material has to react to the interaction with the particle.
14:00 <Cepheid> And that reaction has to be detectable by the measuring tools.
14:01 <RazorSharpFang> 1c distance is too big
14:01 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
14:02 <Cepheid> So you have to hope the particles then aren't invisible to matter, and find a material dense enough to create a smaller volume, and hope for the best.
14:03 <Cepheid> And also hope that the particle interacts with that material.
14:03 <Cepheid> In a significant way that can be measured.
14:03 <Cepheid> Which I guess explains why it's so hard to find other particles in the first place.
14:04 <Cepheid> Neutrinos are a prime example of a difficult case. They don't interact with the physical world all that much. Look at your hand, there are trillions of neutrinos flying through it every second. They fly through the Earth and have a small percentage of hitting it.
14:05 <RazorSharpFang> What even happens if they do anyway? Do they give the earth cancer?
14:05 <Cepheid> Dunno.
14:05 <Cepheid> They do collide with people rarely.
14:06 <Cepheid> Like, one every several years.
14:07 <Cepheid> The likelihood that it causes any long-term damage is thus incredibly small to the point of negligibility.
14:08 <Cepheid> Huh.
14:09 <Cepheid> Apparently, we cannot detect neutrinos as they are.
14:11 <RazorSharpFang> So I presume we've derived their existence from mathematical models, but don't have empirical confirmation of their existence.
14:11 <Schism> ummmm. New cryptocurrency sparks a run on HDDs.
14:11 <RazorSharpFang> Which crypto is that?
14:11 <Schism> Chia.
14:11 <RazorSharpFang> Also specifically HDDs not SSDs?
14:11 <Schism> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hard-drive-ssd-shortages-imminent-if-new-cryptocurrency-blooms - HDDs and SDDs both.
14:12 <Schism> Well, SSDs primarily, because speed.
14:12 <RazorSharpFang> Nice. (Guh)
14:12 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: We detected them through antineutrinos.
14:12 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, of course (what)
14:13 <Cepheid> So, the new cryptocurrency utilizes storage instead of processing.
14:13 <Cepheid> Cryptocurrency is causing more damage than benefit.
14:18 <RazorSharpFang> I am taking a little solace in the fact that they make the fascists big mad.
14:19 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, since I'm using landfill to get rid of excess ores, we've now got 91k landfill in storage...
14:20 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> I'm still bullish on green energy and bearish on oil stocks, but man it's really making my portfolio bleed.
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14:28 <Cepheid> With regards to stock trading and such, how exactly does it work? Can you invest in a stock, wait for it to go up or down, sell it, and either have to pay cash(if it went down) or get actual cash(if it went up)?
14:29 <Cepheid> Or can you only spend your returns on other stocks?
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> I primarily trade options. Stock options are different in that you can craft ANY profit-loss graph you so desire.
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> You can craft a position which is max-profit if the stock does not move.
14:30 <Cepheid> Let me rephrase the question: Do you get actual money back when you sell a stock, or does it return some sort of currency or media that can only be spent on other stocks?
14:31 <RazorSharpFang> It does return AUD for Australian stocks and it does return USD for US stocks.
14:31 <RazorSharpFang> You can either get paid to enter into a position or pay to enter into a position. You do the reverse to exit the position.
14:32 <Cepheid> So if the stock goes down, and you want to sell the stock, you have to pay the difference.
14:32 <RazorSharpFang> No, if you paid to enter, then you get paid when you exit, you just get paid less than you paid to enter.
14:32 <RazorSharpFang> So that's your "loss" in that trade.
14:35 <Schism> As a note, profits which are not reinvested in the company or paid to employees are typically paid out to shareholders as 'dividends'. The idea is that the price of a stock should be commensurate with the expected return on dividends given a certain period of time.
14:36 <RazorSharpFang> Well, the companies not 100% dedicated to growth-at-all-costs
14:37 <RazorSharpFang> I'm a net options seller, so I get paid to enter into positions, which I intend to leave for less than I got paid to enter them.
14:39 <RazorSharpFang> That is if the trade goes my way. It does around 60% of the time or so.
14:44 <Schism> "You've made a completely stable arcology. Why do you think you need 20 plus backups?" "Because entropy not only always wins, it likes to wait until you look away before it shoots you in the back."
15:11 <RazorSharpFang> Green energy? More like red energy. (Guh)
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16:18 <Cepheid> You know what would be nice? If I could see correctly.
16:40 <Schism> Vanilla LTTP run. Well, didn't take long to get that sword.
16:42 <Cepheid> Heh. Comic Sans.
16:43 <Schism> "I think that the person who invented Comic Sans was incredibly clever." "I WILL PULL THIS CAR OVER."
16:45 <Schism> Whew. 50 bomb capacity.
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16:48 <Schism> Then 300 more rupees for maximum arrow capacity, and 110 rupees to Kiki, and that's it.
16:48 * Ali hides the dashboots in a place Schism can't get them
16:49 * Schism is doing a quick vanilla, so she has the pegasus boots already.
16:49 * Lumindia boops Ali's snoot
16:49 <Lumindia> henlo
16:50 * Ali boops Lumindia snoot back
16:50 * Lumindia squeaks at
16:50 * Ali oils Lumindia, that works right?
16:50 <Lumindia> :<
16:50 <Lumindia> now my coat is all messy and oily
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16:54 * Ali yawns and flops over the Lumindia
16:54 <Ali> Snow is coming
16:54 * Lumindia snugs the Ali muchly
16:54 <Lumindia> ....
16:54 <Ali> In April
16:55 <Lumindia> D:
16:55 <Lumindia> Panik
16:55 <Cyan_Spark> Ali the honorary alicorn
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16:55 <Schism> And there's the Agahnim fight...
16:55 * Schism equips the bug net.
16:55 * Cyan_Spark puts a lacquered polycarbonate crown on Ali
16:58 * Lumindia makes a blanket fort, pulls Ali into it
16:58 * Ali eeps and flailyhooves
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17:08 * ThatAnonPony boops Schism.
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17:30 * ThatAnonPony scrunchymuzzle.
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17:44 <Schism> Tempered sword, and... ah, right, that's the fourth bottle.
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17:52 <Schism> Ohai game. Magic cape, I can do Bumper Cave and Spike Cave now.
17:54 <Schism> Oh. Hookshot first. Fine.
18:00 <Cepheid> Whee, psych appointment to prepare new prescriptions presumably.
18:03 <Schism> Hopefully they'll work...
18:03 * Schism also blinks. She had completely forgotten that smashing frozen enemies with the hammer results in magic refills.
18:10 * Lumindia boops Schism
18:10 <Lumindia> henlo
18:13 * Schism licks Lumindia. And also grumblycakes at the swamp palace, as usual.
18:13 * Lumindia licks Schism back
18:13 <Lumindia> o wo
18:25 <Schism> Jellyfish boss == incredibly easy with the Tempered Sword. o3o
18:26 <Schism> Not that it's hard ANYWAY, but one shot on each of its little balls... well.
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18:30 * Schism counts on her fingers. "Piece of Heart in Bumper Cave. Done. Next there's one on Death Mountain outside of the alternate entrance to Turtle Rock, and then Hookshot Cave..."
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18:36 * Ali puts Schism on the tower with the boss that if you fall off his HP restores to full
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19:07 <Cepheid> Well that went well.
19:07 <Cepheid> She wants to stop the cymbalta(Yay) and the vyvanse(Eeehhh... But I can see why), while upping the seroquel(Nope.) and the abilify(Sure!).
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19:26 <Schism> Hum, breaktime. Also, great!
19:27 * Schism finishes the Ice Palace, which was as frustrating as ever. "I can never get that bomb skip." She also grumblycakes, knowing she's got Misery Mire and Turtle Rock left to do. Neither of which is HARD, but... she might get eaten alive by Wizzrobes.
19:33 * LibrarianofHope glomps ali, tired
19:33 * Ali splats
19:34 <LibrarianofHope> im exhausted
19:34 <Schism> Ali: Meanwhile, Beamos remain the worst.
19:34 * LibrarianofHope polishes ali for energy
19:48 * Schism decides to make up a bowl of black bean ramen.
19:49 <LibrarianofHope> gimme some opinions on names
19:49 <LibrarianofHope> Mistlight Miniature Studio
19:49 <LibrarianofHope> how does that one sound
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19:52 * LibrarianofHope pokes ali , cause owo
19:52 * Ali flails
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20:00 <Schism> This is why autofill is the devil. https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2015-11-22
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20:01 <Schism> Autofill which relies upon information more than 15 seconds old is in particular so.
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20:16 * Ali starts to build a bunker.
20:28 <LibrarianofHope> umm
20:28 <LibrarianofHope> cute bunker
20:29 <Ali> No, the anti flipping shit out of people bunker
20:30 <LibrarianofHope> wut?
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21:57 <Cepheid> Is swear these cats... Tizzy is so close to her water bowl she has her fur resting in it.
21:57 * Schism yawns. Blehs. returns from a store run with peas.
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22:24 <Nedemai> Ali ?
22:34 <LibrarianofHope> ali is here yes
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23:25 * Ali bleps belatedly to Nedemai
23:33 * Schism finds it, the mysterious, missing, fourth piece of the Triforce!
23:34 <Nedemai> Ali, would you like some supplies for your bunker
23:34 <Nedemai> I hear ponies need a good supply of boops,hugs, music, a bit of magic, and food and water of course
23:35 * Ali is already in crazytown
23:36 <Schism> And the Greg sleeps again... forever!
23:37 * Schism boops the Ali with 1 rupee.
23:39 * Ali boops the Schism right back
23:40 <Schism> Dear game: a case where a fairie gets used is not, really, a death.
23:40 <Ali> NOT FLAWLESS VICTORY
23:41 * Schism grumblycakes at the '16'. "FINE. In future I'll just never die!"
23:46 * Lumindia flumps
23:46 <Lumindia> aaaaa
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23:55 * Finwe noms on AppleDash.
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